[rabbitmq-discuss] SOAP over RabbitMQ

Thu Nov 18 18:32:46 GMT 2010

You are right. However, if one is using Basic http binding and a
contract first approach, then interoperability headaches should be
minimal. I have AXIS2 and WCF talking SOAP this way. 
I guess what I would explore is to use RabbitMQP java client and use the
AXIS2 Transport framework(as they advertised it for SOAP over JMS) and
build a custom transport for AXIS2 SOAP over AMQP. In theory, I believe
this should work and it would be similar to what RabbitMQ ServiceModel
did for WCF.

Regards
hussein

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pollack [mailto:mpollack at vmware.com] 
Sent: November 18, 2010 12:58 PM
To: Hussein Said; Mark Fisher; Emile Joubert
Cc: rabbitmq-discuss at lists.rabbitmq.com
Subject: RE: [rabbitmq-discuss] SOAP over RabbitMQ

Hi,

It probably wouldn't be easier to adopt a AMQP transport for SOAP if
both ends weren't Spring Web Service based (or using the same web
services framework).  From what I've seen SOAP over JMS isn't a widely
supported option across SOAP stacks/products and even then, despite some
specs being written on how it should work, I had interoperability issues
a few years ago between Spring Web Services on JMS and .NET WCF TIBCO
support.  SOAP over JMS isn't covered by the WS-I profiles AFAIK.

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hussein Said [mailto:hsaid at plantcml-eads.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:46 PM
> To: Mark Fisher; Mark Pollack; Emile Joubert
> Cc: rabbitmq-discuss at lists.rabbitmq.com
> Subject: RE: [rabbitmq-discuss] SOAP over RabbitMQ
> 
> Thanks for your replies. Any idea when those adaptors will be out? It
> definitely looks promising for our needs.
> Note that a native AMQP Transport within the SOAP stack is likely
> easier
> to adopt within existing SOAP sweatshops, as it would be easier to
> integrate without having to rewire the web services through the
> Spring-WS framework(based on my limited knowledge of the Spring
> framework of course)
> 
> Regards
> hussein
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Fisher [mailto:markfisher at vmware.com]
> Sent: November 18, 2010 12:25 PM
> To: Mark Pollack; Emile Joubert; Hussein Said
> Cc: rabbitmq-discuss at lists.rabbitmq.com
> Subject: RE: [rabbitmq-discuss] SOAP over RabbitMQ
> 
> Also, the Spring Integration project provides Web Service adapters
> (built on top of Spring-WS), and we have AMQP adapters in progress
> (built on top of Spring-AMQP). So, that at least provides a "bridge"
> between the two (e.g. inbound-amqp -> outbound-ws or vice versa).
While
> that is different than a native AMQP transport within a SOAP stack,
> depending on the application, that level of decoupling might provide
> some advantages, such as routing/transformation/filtering support and
> more control over the Messaging Mappers.
> 
> -Mark
> ________________________________________
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> [rabbitmq-discuss-bounces at lists.rabbitmq.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Pollack
> [mpollack at vmware.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:16 PM
> To: Emile Joubert; Hussein Said
> Cc: rabbitmq-discuss at lists.rabbitmq.com
> Subject: Re: [rabbitmq-discuss] SOAP over RabbitMQ
> 
> Hi,
> 
> No immediate plans. This would though perhaps better sit as an
> extension/addition to the Spring Web Services project which already
> supports SOAP over JMS.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Emile Joubert [mailto:emile at rabbitmq.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:29 AM
> > To: Hussein Said
> > Cc: rabbitmq-discuss at lists.rabbitmq.com; Mark Pollack
> > Subject: Re: [rabbitmq-discuss] SOAP over RabbitMQ
> >
> >
> > Hi Hussein,
> >
> > Thanks for your question. The RabbitMQ team do not have any
immediate
> > plans to add a Java SOAP stack, but that could change if there is
> > sufficient demand.
> >
> > I'm copying in Mark Pollack who may know whether anything related is
> > planned for Spring-AMQP.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Emile
> >
> >
> >
> > On 16/11/10 21:26, Hussein Said wrote:
> > > WCF RabbitMQ bindings works great and I am consuming Web services
> > using
> > > the RabbitMQ binding with little change to our codebase.
> > > I guess my question is if there are any plans(now or future) to
> have
> > a
> > > custom AXIS2 or JAX-WS Transport for RabbitMQ since they are
widely
> > used
> > > SOAP stacks. This will greatly benifit the SOAP community so that
> the
> > > adoption of  AMQP is less of a barrier if a native AMQP transport
> > client
> > > is available. Spring has one, and OpenAMQP has JMS over RabbitMQ.
> > Also,
> > > I noticed on the AMQP org site that 1-0 SOAP Mapping
> > > <http://mail.cml.com/confluence/display/AMQP/1-0+SOAP+Mapping>  is
> > > proposed, but that may be months before approved and supported.
> > >
> > > regards
> > > hussein
> > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---
> > > *From:* Emile Joubert [mailto:emile at rabbitmq.com]
> > > *Sent:* Mon 11/15/2010 4:49 AM
> > > *To:* rabbitmq-discuss at lists.rabbitmq.com; Hussein Said
> > > *Subject:* Re: [rabbitmq-discuss] SOAP over RabbitMQ
> > >
> > > Hi Hussein,
> > >
> > > On 13/11/10 17:06, Hussein Said wrote:
> > >> Hi,
> > >> I would like to know if there is something equivalent to the WCF
> > >> ServiceModel on the Java side.
> > >> I  have a web service hosted in WCF that calls another web
Service
> > >> hosted on Axis2. I was able with relative ease
> > >> To add the RabbitMQ binding on the .net side, and use SOAP as the
> > >> protocol, and RabbitMQ as the transport using the RabbitMQ
service
> > model
> > >> libraries. Now I would like to be able to do the same thing from
> the
> > >> Java side using SOAP. This will allow us to leverage our current
> > >> investments in SOAP, but use RabbitMQ powerful messaging
> > infrastructure
> > >> to transport over Queues.
> > >
> > >
> > > In theory it should be possible to interoperate using a Java web
> > > services library that speaks the correct flavour of SOAP, but I'm
> not
> > > aware of anyone trying this using the RabbitMQ WCF binding
> > specifically.
> > > We would be interested to hear the results of your attempt.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Emile
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Emile Joubert
> >
> > RabbitMQ
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