<div dir="ltr">Any update on the PPA hosting archived versions?  It's becoming very painful to use Salt or any other CMS when we want to freeze to a specific version. Fixing that problem would allow us to get past the issue of the deb restarting the service.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Aaron Westendorf <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aaron@agoragames.com" target="_blank">aaron@agoragames.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">We just discovered today that this is further complicated because the PPA is only hosting the current version, so Salt fails when trying to apply the ruleset and ensure the version we froze is installed.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Aaron Westendorf <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aaron@agoragames.com" target="_blank">aaron@agoragames.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. Even "start on first install" has problems in that there may be other preconditions yet to be set, though it is less problematic than automatically restarting.<div>


<br></div><div>For now, I've changed our Salt states to freeze to a specific version so that we won't be surprised by a process restart.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">

On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Gavin M. Roy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gavinmroy@gmail.com" target="_blank">gavinmroy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I believe he’s saying that when you install the deb (or upgrade it) it automatically starts or restarts rabbitmq-server, causing less than desirable behavior.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">


<br></div><div style="color:black">From: <span style="color:black">Simon MacMullen</span> <a href="mailto:simon@rabbitmq.com" target="_blank">simon@rabbitmq.com</a><br>Reply: <span style="color:black">Discussions about RabbitMQ</span> <a href="mailto:rabbitmq-discuss@lists.rabbitmq.com" target="_blank">rabbitmq-discuss@lists.rabbitmq.com</a><br>


Date: <span style="color:black">June 20, 2014 at 1:07:33 PM</span><br>To: <span style="color:black">Discussions about RabbitMQ</span> <a href="mailto:rabbitmq-discuss@lists.rabbitmq.com" target="_blank">rabbitmq-discuss@lists.rabbitmq.com</a>, <span style="color:black">Aaron Westendorf</span> <a href="mailto:aaron@agoragames.com" target="_blank">aaron@agoragames.com</a><br>


Subject: <span style="color:black"> Re: [rabbitmq-discuss] PPA debs restart rabbit <br></span></div><br> <blockquote type="cite"><span><div><div></div><div><div><div>On 17/06/14 15:54, Aaron Westendorf wrote:
<br>> We're using the PPA for rabbit but the current debian files are not
<br>> suitable for production deployments because they stop and restart the
<br>> process. I understand the desire to start the process if it was not
<br>> already running, but embedding the restart logic in the deb means that
<br>> users have no control over the process. As it is very common to use the
<br>> PPA within the context of a configuration management system (Salt, Chef,
<br>> etc), it would be best to leave that decision up to the user.
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<br>What do you mean by "restart logic"?
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<br>I could see the point in adding some START_THE_SERVER variable to  
<br>/etc/default/rabbitmq-server, would that help?
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<br>Cheers, Simon
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<br>--  
<br>Simon MacMullen
<br>RabbitMQ, Pivotal
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