[rabbitmq-discuss] Thoughts from a new user

Mon Sep 27 04:19:14 BST 2010

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:
> Alexis/David,
> I think the response from the group has been awesome.  Takeaways:
> 1. Everybody who is on a Mac likes Homebrew.  It should at least be referred
> to on the downloads page, and most likely, it should be the default
> installation recommendation for Mac users.

I personally use macports, and prefer it.
I _want_ clean versions of core libraries not tied to os updates, so
if I get an osx update it will not break anything I have installed via
macports. Similarly, my macports binaries are using newever library
versions than the core os ships, and I often get security updates
there MUCH faster (such as the recent bzip2 vuln).

> 2. David should make appropriate tickets on the Homebrew site (individual
> ones, not one big one) for the naming conventions, etc... that you would
> like homebrew to use.  I'm sure they'll be evenhanded.  Note item #3 though
> when making the tickets.
> 3. Virtually all Mac users of rabbitmq are using it for development.
>  Production installations for the Mac users are running Linux (frequently
> Ubuntu).
> 4. The documentation needs a major overhaul - soon.
> 5. The codebase should be hosted on Github.com for easier interaction with
> the wider community.
> 6. "it's unlikely we are going to repeat that effort for homebrew (unless
> macports dies or something)." - Macports is dying - I hate to break it to
> people.  Agreed, it is way ahead of Homebrew in maturity, but MacPorts is
> too flawed to continue on.  The fundamental issue is that Mac is not a
> server OS, so the pace of iteration on the platform is much faster than on
> something like Debian/Ubuntu where it's been using the same package manager
> for years and will continue to be.  All the mature features of MacPorts are
> useless because nobody uses Mac as a server for anything but internal office
> functions and specialized rendering stuff.  The vanguard of Mac users has
> already moved to Homebrew even though it's only a few months old - that
> battle is over.

I really don't see this, but I have no problem with it being your opinion.

I would also like to comment about google groups. Please god no!
I am subscribed to a few google groups, and the raw amount of spam I
get through a google group mailing list compared to a more classic
mailing list (off google groups on some mailman, etc) is significant.
An example: http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/

> Thanks so much for all the support from everybody on these issues.  I'd love
> to continue using RabbitMQ and it's these types of rough edges that matter
> to alot of us.
> Thanks,
> Adam
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis at rabbitmq.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Adam, everyone,
>>
>> What are your thoughts on this thread?  Is this helping?
>>
>> alexis
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:22 PM, David Wragg <david at rabbitmq.com> wrote:
>> > Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> writes:
>> >>  * Please don't tell Mac users to use MacPorts:
>> >> http://www.rabbitmq.com/macports.html It's time to move them to
>> >> HomeBrew at
>> >> http://github.com/mxcl/homebrew
>> >
>> > I'm not a frequent OS X user.  I do have some experience with macports,
>> > but it's been mixed.  So I like to think I have a fairly objective view
>> > on the macports vs. homebrew thing (that being, they are both vastly
>> > inferior to current Linux package systems :-)
>> >
>> > So with that said:
>> >
>> > I think we'd be happy to endorse homebrew alongside or instead of
>> > macports, *if* it achieves parity with the rabbitmq-server port, and the
>> > rabbitmq-server packages on Linuxes.  That means:
>> >
>> > - The formula should be called rabbitmq-server
>> >
>> > - It should create and use a rabbitmq user/group, and include the
>> >  wrapper scripts to support this.
>> >
>> > - It should have some way to run as an automatically started daemon.
>> >
>> > - It should include the man pages (on-line documentation is great, man
>> >  pages are too, we have both, and we want the man pages to be provided
>> >  with the packages).
>> >
>> > - We need to have a way to distribute an update package when we make a
>> >  new release, for users that are willing to bypass the central
>> >  repository.
>> >
>> > We've made all this work for macports; it's unlikely we are going to
>> > repeat that effort for homebrew (unless macports dies or something).
>> >
>> > But if someone in the community wants to work on getting the homebrew
>> > formula into the same shape, that would be great.  We could work with
>> > them to integrate it into our build/release process.
>> >
>> > David
>> >
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>> > David Wragg
>> > Staff Engineer, RabbitMQ
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